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Scott has lived in Brookfield for over 20 years and has been 5th District alderman since 2000. This blog will try to round out the views on Brookfield presented by so many others.

Historic Building Preservation

By Scott Berg
Wednesday, May 7 2008, 11:08 PM

At the Council meeting of May 6, I submitted the following legislative referral to study the preservation of historic structures in the City of Brookfield, possibly leading to a new protective ordinance.  Brookfield has been my home for over 20 years and I understand just how fragile our link is to the city's roots. 

In response to this referral, the planning office has given me several documents concerning previous unsuccessful efforts for preservation.  One was the historic building inventory of 1993.  There were also minutes of Plan Commission meetings in 1995-96 and results from a special citizen task force.  No action was taken then because, in the Commissioner's opinion, there was insufficient public support and fierce opposition from owners who feared such an ordinance would unduly limit their ability to  manage their own property with no proportionate compensation.  Planning is often about balancing the rights of property owners against the desires of the larger community. I'll keep you posted as this develops during the coming months.

The complete referral:

This is a service request / legislative referral I will make at the May 6, 2008 Council meeting.

I request that the city consider a historic building preservation ordinance.  There are still many fine examples of late 19th and early 20th century buildings that remind Brookfield residents of their roots and of how much life has changed in a relatively short time.  Besides, Brookfield will never have 300 year old farmhouses if they are all torn down when they are “only” 100 years old!

This complex task was attempted in (I believe) the early 1990’s and the records from that effort may provide a better definition of the task. Some concepts include:

1. Update the inventory of historic buildings created by the planning department in the earlier effort.  I believe some of the buildings have been razed or renovated beyond recognition.

2. Outline what other communities have done in this area.  I am especially interested in Cedarburg (often cited during the Village Neighborhood Plan meetings),Waukesha (nearby and its downtown has many significant buildings), Town of Brookfield (neighboring community with many historic and demographic connections) and major historical sites such as Boston.

3. Give special attention to the Ruby Farm property, the Dousman-Dunkel-Behling House and the Village Railroad Station, which are probably the largest and most prominent structures.

4. Solicit public comment.  I believe the heart of the issue will be whether the burden of new, severe restrictions on historic structure property owners is outweighed by a greater public good of preservation.

5. Suggest ordinances, creation of historic building district(s), historic building review boards and other planning tools as may be needed to achieve the desired results.

Comments

Capt. Stanley   

I think this is a good idea.  I grew up in Brookfield and my parents first moved to the city in the early 1960's.  Over the years Brookfield has lost touch with its history.  Its new manta over the years has been: Tear doen the old and build new cookie-cutter brick buildings.  If Ruby Farms ever befalls the dozer one day, it will be an epic tragedy, IMHO.

May 8, 2008 7:01 AM

Larry Knetzger   

The community does not have the right to tell someone to keep this old junk. To many private rights are being taken away from individual ownership of properties. The old relics are built poorly, they are health hazards with all the poor construction.

So then the next thing the war lords (Common Council) make up there minds to do is use the publics funds to buy the structures. Just to add more fire to Wisconsins tax hell community. Or provide special zoning for the property when it is put on the "Historic Register" and take it off the tax rolls so everyones taxes can go up with it being owned by some private non profit entity.

The Ruby farms item is one that stands in the way of the development of Calhoun Rd for proper traffic flow and safety of all the people using it. Times change, progress occurs. If any of those buildings had a fire they would go up in flames with in minutes because of the way they are built. Nice way to see a young family perish that might purchase such a relic. Being in the building business we have terminology to label such old structures, "Your can't polish a turd". The old buildings there also are a hinderance in the development of that parcel by its new owner and all the acreage around it. I must say though that all the buildings there are a great source of lead paint that should be preserved for all to enjoy,yummie in the tummy.

We no longer use a horse and buggy to go into Milwaukee to get some beer, bread or beef. That use to take a day trip. Want to preserve that??. No way.

A good example of preserving the past and wasting the publics hard earned money and poor management of it by a Common Council is the repair once again of the old City of Milwaukee City hall. This is the third time in my life that I have seen that structure circled by scaffolding that costs millions of dollars just to erect much less to  try and repair that tall piece of junk. Still trying to polish that turd.  Squandering the publics money once again.

Our city bought the Hepfner property a number of years ago. The real estate was to be resold but the war lords deceided none of the proposals that came forward met there thinking as to what should be there. Interest in the property fell dead. The city rebuffed all proposals.So the City now is in the real estate development business also. With no return on investment what so ever of the publics money. That property and its purchase has been swept under the rug. Over a quarter of a million dollars gone .(that sounds worse than saying $ 275,000)Just to emphasize how public funds can just evaporate.

The Eble property (not in the City of Brookfield) sits there doing nothing. The Brookfield Chamber of Commerce was interested in using it as its office. It cost so much to bring it into compliance for that use that they walked away from it. That property was donated by the family to Waukesha County. Very generous of course to do that. But now who pays for its maintenance ?? I will give you one guess, yes all of us with our county tax burden.

I owe , I owe, (tax hell) so off to work I go. Have a nice day.

May 10, 2008 8:46 AM

Brookfield1947   

I don't think Larry has any roots or has lost touch with those that he had

May 11, 2008 12:20 PM

Capt. Stanley   

You make a great point!  While we're at it, let's tear down Williamsburg so we can build a Super Wal-Mart all in the name of progress!  Let's build some more modern-era strip malls (with gorgeous brick veneer!) so we can have yet another coffeehouse, sushi hut, over-priced ice cream parlor and nail salon in our fair city.  Gotta serve the masses and their desires, right?

As for building construction, I won't get in a p***ing match with you (my family has been in the construction business, and has over 90 combined years of experience), but I'll take my well-built and well maintained 1920's Dutch colonial over anything built within the last 5 to 10 years.  Today's new construction will simply be tomorrow's poorly built, "disposable" buildings -- Lightweight truss construction garbage built with "engineered" lumber that, while quicker, easier and more economical to slap together for the builder, isn't any safer or better than the homes of yesteryear.  Ask any experienced fireman which type of building they'd rather fight a fire in.  I know which home I'd rather have my family sleeping in at 2 a.m. when a fire breaks out.

Speaking of fire, you'll have to excuse me, I have to go burn some family photo albums... Heck, it's been almost 10 years since I've looked through them.  Who needs those dusty things hanging around!?!    

Scott's reply:

So, there you have it.  Two apparently sincere and well credentialed local residents taking opposite sides of an issue.  No matter what the City Council does, including taking no action, someone will be unsatisfied and demand "throw the rascals out."

I find it especially significant that the local history buffs, including bloggers like Mrs. Wintersberger, have not made any comment.  They were quick to criticize me personally when I pointed out the many inconsistencies in Mrs. Wintersberger's blog entries regarding development, but totally absent in stating any opinion when elected officials (like me!) are clearly listening.  There was even an attack blog responding to this entry talking about unnecessary government interference. 

Well, let's see what happens when the Plan Commission takes the matter up.  Remember the old saying: In a democracy, people get the kind of government they deserve.

May 11, 2008 3:29 PM

Larry Knetzger   

The construction done years ago went un regulated, especially before and after the 20's. Our Uniform Dwelling Code represents minimum standards and now has been adopted by all communities at the demand of our legislators in Wisconsin. That is a good thing. Enforcement being done by licensed inspectors that also must keep up on the latest education when it comes to building construction and all its areas, plumbing , heating, electrical and structural.

As far as asking any firemen what kind of building they prefer to apply their trade to, try talking to one of them about your 1920's balloon framing with out fire stops of any kind. Todays homes are far safer than those of 20 years ago and certainly far safer than those built at the turn of the century. Knob and tube wiring prevelant in the 1920's you can have it. You should try and update your knowledge on todays much better construction. The engineered lumber was created by need. We no longer have sagging garage door headers as was the case in the past.

Todays buildings are not easier and quicker and they are not slapped together. The UDC is once again to be revised to up grade areas of need to make it an even better code. (Once again just minimum standards)

Sorry to see that you have to burn your family album's but I guess we all have things that don't mean anything to us. If you value your family treasures pass them on to your family members but don't ask me to pay to preserve them for you, because I won't unless our government decides that they can "Stick it to em". Famous saying from one of our elected officials representing the whole state. Do you really think we have a say in what happens in government ??

Could be, I guess that is why elected officials adopted our States Uniform Dwelling Code so all communities have the same standards to go by. Maybe government does work after all.

There were some old farm houses that were built just OK but a vast majority of them are saggers , out of plumb, foundations in a state of deterioration and poor bathroom facilities. Maybe the out houses should be preserved also, but I would have to guess some one got smart and got rid of them before the Amish might want to move it to there property.

Old World Wisconsin was created to preserve the heritage for those that want to enjoy that. How much more do you need until it is just duplication. It enjoys all types of heritage from many ethnic groups. It is also enjoying financial hardship as we talk. History buffs don't last for ever either. Eat right, exercise right, die anyway. Enjoy your day. Thanks for the conversation.

May 11, 2008 7:40 PM

Brookfield1947   

Larry- you've been drinking the kool aid for too long

May 12, 2008 11:03 AM

Brookfield1947   

Historic Preservation… “Historic Preservation is not "frosting", "fluff" or "fad." It is tested and sound social, economic and environmental policy.  

A civilization (or a community) is judged by the monuments it leaves behind. Historic preservation educates and enriches the mind and spirit of a people. We must never forget that it is we who are the stewards of this priceless legacy. And may we accept with deep resolve the obligation to bequeath it--as unaltered as possible--to future generations.”  

Communities fight for the tourist dollar; and tourism centered around our historic legacy is the fastest growing segment of that industry.  

Historic preservation affirms environmental sensitivity: Just think of the many railroad tank-cars full of fuel required to bake--for a full week--the countless bricks that make up a vintage building. How much more respectful of our earth and its resources to conserve that huge investment in non-renewable fuel, rather than to consign it, along with all that labor and all those materials, to a non-biodegradable heap of landfill.  

Historic preservation has demonstrated its ability to turn "inner cities" around, replacing decay, indifference and crime with a sense of "roots", a sense of place, and a feeling of community pride. In the process, the cost of crime diminishes while the community's tax revenues increase

May 13, 2008 8:55 AM

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